"A beer and some convo"
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Well there’s a thing.
Since living in Leicester I’ve felt 2 earthquakes. First one was a minor little thing that I thought was just a big lorry driving past the house.
But last night’s was a different order of event. I woke up around 1am to what I can only describe as a subtle roar. The bed was shaking, the radiators rattled noisily and I really thought the house was collapsing. The other thing was that the rattles and bumps continued for a decent while afterwards.
Took me a good hour to get back to sleep too.
Coo a proper earthquake (5.2 counts in my book). That’s one more experience to tick off the list.
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PS The title is a reference to the best pinball machine I ever played.
I’m no fan of pseudo-science and particularly when applied to medicine. One of the biggest problems in British medical life in recent years has been this MMR and autism thing. There’s an org called JABS which advocates the “MMR harmed my baby” opinion. Despite plenty of contrary evidence and no supporting evidence. It’s also been in the news that measles has hit its highest rate in years due in no small part to these well-meaning fools.
They also do forum.
Now on this forum they have some skeptics (e-i-e-i-o) and a few have been deleted, blocked, whatever. Most of these come from the BadScience forum (…”it’s just a link to the right….”) But one seems to have slipped through the net and given the best post I’ve seen on a net forum in ages. I’m copying it as I reckon it’ll be deleted in some short order. You have “Occam48″ to thank for this.
1 I’m not a BadScience blogger.
2 I’m an interested bioscientist who over the months has read some of the contributions to this site with amazement, eg advice not to take antibiotics (from 2nd most prolific contributor); “Evidence based medicine now that’s the biggest lie of all”; “Allopathic drugs” sorry but is insulin an allopathic drug, are antibiotics, are immunosupressants for kidney transplant patients, is the asprin you take for a headache etc etc.
3 The uncritical acceptance of alternative medicine and the absolute belief that the pharmaceutical industry is (a) 100% corrupt and (b) in a grand world wide cover up with various national governments, WHO UNICEF etc etc
I do accept that there have been some bad practices with some companies, I’m not blind to faults, see recent Sanofi case in US, but by and large the pharmaceutical industry is honest and highly regulated.
4 I genuinly believe there are parents on this site with autistic children who really believe vaccination was the cause of their problem.
5 The most convuluted arguements are put forward to refuse the very idea that vaccines might well have benficial effects (as well as side effects which I have never denied) instead of accepting the far simpler explanation that the vaccines are doing their job. The protective effect of vaccines has been demonstrated in many animal models.Unfortunately Jackie the lack of willingness to accept that vaccines can have any protective effects, the uncritical acceptance of any alternative medicine and yes there is a strong placebo effect with homeopathy but that’s all, results in this site having zero credibility in the big outside world. If you really want to help vaccine damaged children & not be written off as a collection of “nuts” perhaps you should really look at yourselves as shown by the attitudes and pseudo science on this site as the first step, do you work with the major UK Autism charity, why is the only reference to MMR & autism on their web site a paper showing no linkage, or are they part of the conspiracy?.
Now done to specific answers
Minority View: No I’m not playing YOUR game. No-one cannot prove a negative, as Prurient sayes its up to you to show a credible (& testable) cause & effect hypothesis to link the the variety of diseases and the vaccines that you assert are the cause.
Your hypothesis of lifestyle/testing vaccinated & unvaccinated for protective effects is not worth discussing it would be totally immoral, when I provide evidence for polio & measles its not taken seriously NOONE has answered my repeated question re the European statistics in the 50′s & 60′s & since Rachel Carson’s book on DDT wasn’t published till 1962 yet the incidence of polio in Germany, UK & Netherland had dropped to very low levels prior to that following the introduction of mass vaccination DO LOOK AT FIG 1 in the paper.
Any more comments on Smallpox eradication program, or was that all misdiagnosis too?Rosemary: 1000′s of Retroviruses please read a little further down the Wikipedia refernce where I think you will see that these retrovirus remnants have been part of the human genome for millions of years, in fact you cut & pasted the section in one of your replies states this
Nigerian polio vaccine fears Sorry but this was ridiculous and very sad for the Nigerians who unnecessarily caught polio. Again you cannot prove a negative, but why how could a few drops of vaccine given to a baby render that child infertile when an adult, you are not really taking this seriously are you see my earlier comment re the credibility of this site & conspiracy theories http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/africa/3313419.stm
You never know I might have some sympathy for the aims of this site & not be a pharma mole (or whatever) & just be trying to push you in a more constructive direction (or is that a conspiracy theory…)
Well done that man/woman/drug company stooge!
Not me. But loads of people.
Apparently the main anti-depressants don’t work any better than placebo. Says so on the beeb this morning.
What amazes me is that anyone is surprised by this.
The depressed folk tend (yes, “tend”) to be of a mind to want someone to help them; or something. I see it every day. Lots of my patients have depressive tendencies; the worse that is then the worse their prognosis is, generally. They’re the ones who want me to lay on hands and somehow hoover their pain away. When I say “do exercises” you can just see them sag and you know that no exercises will get done.
The sad thing is that one of the best treatments for depression is exercise.
I think people need to realise that the human body isn’t a simple machine that just needs tinkering with. It does need to be maintained properly and ignoring it doesn’t work.
The drugs don’t work. Well actually they might but if you rely totally on the drugs then you’re prolly doing something wrong.
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…did I not mention this?
And it’s still not on Radio 5-live this morning!
Madness.
Nothing nasty but since Wednesday there’s been a chestiness and coldiness about me. I’m blaming everyone else.
But it’s weird. I’ve been quite healthy this week. Eating salads and good sarnies all week rather than chips and pies. My drinks have been better than normal too with only about 500ml of Coke all week so far. I’ve cycled every day too, including cycling up to the uni for my german class. And this is the week where my health deteriorates and my spots get bad. Hmm I think there’s something to the theory that chocolate and laziness are good for you.
I’ve been on a course for 3 days this week which has been quite interesting. They called it the “Manager’s Toolkit”. My main concern was the picture on the front of the booklet we got was of a toolbox – containing 1 spanner. Is that all we’re going to get? 1 way of dealing with stuff?
Luckily it turned out to be just an available pic rather than a predictor of content.
So now I know how to deal with things! Well some things.
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Just realised that I ought to do a public cheers to a couple of folk.
First off to Clurb for her cleaning up my her mess from Friday yesterday. Ta.
And then to Plumsie for being a total star and sorting out my re-leaky shower. I haven’t tried it this morning but I shall this evening on my return. Full report tonight!
Thanks again.
…as we’ve known it.
And it’s hardly been on the news this morning.
I know radio 5-live is “news-lite” but really.
I’m referring to the somewhat momentous decision of the Kosovans to declare independence from Serbia. Doesn’t sound too world-shattering though. What reason to fear a “nation” of 2m folk with poor education (although better than that of their neighbour Albania)?
It’s more the response of China and Russia that worries me. Russia in particular have said that they will not agree with it and will take action to stop it happening. The Serbs are happy with this. But Serbia lies in an island within the EU (nearly). So do Russia mean physical activity to stop it? Or merely financial/economic measures? Which of these would be worse?
Can anyone else see the words “cold war 2″ marching up swiftly?
Beyond this what’s the precident? Can the mainly Turk bit of Bulgaria just decide to declare independence next? What about the mainly Russian bit of Estonia? It’s all too bloody messy to contemplate.
And Radio 5 leads with a mildly parochial banking story. Still it’s better than some of our “news”papers. One leads today with a story about Jordan taking drugs once and another on the bloody princess Diana inquest. Good to see that they have their priorities straight.
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